Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Well it is only an Estimate

Well been a little while since I posted, partly because the weather has made me drowsy which combined with pain killers just meant I could not focus as well as I would like, certainly noticed spelling and grammar fell apart whenever I joined in with local on line debates. I feel that I can go anywhere in the UK therefore I will join in for  those debates in the places other than London. Also I have been playing with figures and trying different key figures to see how it would apply  to the amount of times guys spend in SEVs.

I have to thank SEVLicensing as that blog has picked up on the fact 3 clubs have been granted licenses. Baby platinum has been approved in Wigan, interestingly on that one the clause stopping the removal of the g string has been altered so it can be removed during a dance but must be replaced as soon as the dance finishes. Second Obsession has been granted a license in Liverpool, challenges had been made based on the fact the area is the gay quarter and some felt a club would distract from the area, this given there are already 4 clubs in the vicinity. Third club is Tokyo in York, which has had the usual rants from York Feminist Network which was even copied in on some of the 11 objections. Two objections were from Hamptons by Hilton but neither of those was from the manager herself. Plenty of action in the local online press and the arguments did seem to fall apart very easily.

This entry was originally just going to be about private dances and the number of dances and customers required for the industry to exist as it is. I will make it very clear the numbers are based on estimates using averages. The average number of dancers per club, the average number of dances paid for per visit. Also average number of shifts performed by each dancer at a club per week. I have used 240 clubs which is the approximate number in 2009 when Leeds did it's research into dancers. I used the average earnings found in that research, of course considering the difference in earnings between say diamond dolls in Glasgow and Spearmint Rhino in London there is a massive plus or minus possible. Add to this dancers who will work multiple venues against those who only perform at one. Even down to the fact I have estimated the average year is actually 48 weeks of work even though many dancers I know off will happily take 2 months off.

So I assumed 8000 dancers in the UK as many work more than one venue, some dancers obviously only work the one but if that was the case we would need 14,000 dancers roughly to supply the industry. Based on the figures supplied in the research for Leeds University of average earnings of £240 per shift each dancer would need to perform 75 dances a week based on a 3 shift week. Now if we have 8,000 dancers that equates to 600,000 private dances in a week. And if dancers work on average 48 weeks we end up with 28,800,000 private dances a year.

So it sort of makes an impression on just how many guys are needed to support the industry. Now the way I work it with the number of dances in 240 clubs I estimate as a bare minimum we would require 960,000 customers. Realistically though we are looking at close on 2,000,000 customers will at some point each year visit a club from the once a year to those who do 3 or 4 times a week the number is still a large amount of the adult population. So many people who if asked may say they don't go even though they do. Yeah there are those who don't go but perhaps when people talk about the industry they should realise there is a silent majority that clubs could mobilise as they did in Tower Hamlets and Portsmouth to defend the industry. Perhaps we as fans of the dancers need to vocalise our support more and when we may be affected by a license renewal/applications we actually get active and fight to support what we love.

TonyN (tonyprince@acdcfan.com) speaking for the millions and millions of fans out there in the UK.


  1. I can certainly comprehend the high numbers of dances that are bought every year, as I really don't know of many people who haven't been to a lap dancing club at some point, including a few women. When you consider the number of people who go to them for Stag do's, birthday parties, Christmas parties, lads nights out, girls nights out etc. That's got to be a fair few people. I do however think there is a lot of denial from people about having private dances. A number of friends have asked me to tell their other halves if they ask, that they only had drinks in the club or that they only paid for one dance when they have had 4 or 5. I think that some people whose other halves may be cool with lap dancing clubs, may not want to be seen to support clubs in an SEV renewal. It may give the impression they are a bit too keen and are more than just an occasional customer. I also think that a lot of customers are blissfully unaware that their favourite club could face closure if they don't drum up a bit of support. At Shades last renewal, I was the solitary supporter and I am only a very occasional customer. You'd think all the regulars would be out in force?

    On a different note have you seen this Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/WomenAgainstFeminism
    It reminds me a lot of what this blog was saying with regards to 'Designer Feminism'. These young women are not rebelling against equality but what 'feminism' has descended to, hence the authoritarianism and fear of male sexuality as displayed by Mumsnet, UK Feminista, Object etc. Seems a positive move to me, that people are now standing up to these bully's. The media response has also been quite telling with them fiercely attacking this group and basically inferring that they have no idea of what they are talking about and don't understand the history of feminism. It's just proves where the media bias lies.

    1. I do get that people are probably in denial, mainly because moral judgments that come from others make people feel guilty and the worry of being labelled a pervert. One of the issues with any stand against the anti club brigade is that finger pointing that attacked individuals simply because we don't believe the faith system that radical feminism and religion both demand. Not surprised that they often work together as they are willing to forget their other issues to get small victories that in reality achieve nothing.

      I have seen a lot of the women against feminism, certainly been brought up on rad fem discussion boards and they often use that horrible term hand maidens and assume that any woman who holds a position other than theirs has been brained washed.


    2. "[Radfems] assume that any woman who holds a position other than theirs has been brained washed."

      Ooh, the irony! Even a cursory scrutiny of 'radical feminism' (which is neither radical, nor particularly feminist) reveals the presentation of ideological constructs as givens, complete doublethink on the subject of identity (i.e. the "Gender is a social construct" cliche v their treatment of people who don't actually conform to the gender binary), and an overgrown-adolescent vanguardist mentality. The radfems appear to have constructed some kind of parallel universe for themselves, in which their articles of faith trump empirical evidence.

      The backlash against mainstream feminism is largely a result of the way in which radfem concepts have been smuggled into its canon largely unchallenged, and its leadership by a small, self-interested clique of women who are mostly white, mostly middle class, more likely than average to have been privately educated, and overwhelmingly cis-gendered.