tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post8882630338749323533..comments2024-03-20T12:46:28.177+00:00Comments on Stripping The Illusion: Cognitive Dissonance in Prohibitionist CampaigningChasmalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15791910774345073277noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-73750241076224521402012-10-31T10:49:09.884+00:002012-10-31T10:49:09.884+00:00The mumsnet debate is interesting I have had 2 req...The mumsnet debate is interesting I have had 2 requests for my report on crime in the last 24 hours one of whom seems in favour of the clubs and swapped a couple of mails and the other who has said nothing so not sure if anti or pro club.TonyNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03800609393064987221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-54710263270978336312012-10-31T01:08:47.256+00:002012-10-31T01:08:47.256+00:00...Thus proving Chasmal's very point about cog......Thus proving Chasmal's very point about cognitive dissonance! ;-)The Great Smell Of Brutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18221303070617233589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-30159738172384496282012-10-30T17:00:41.246+00:002012-10-30T17:00:41.246+00:00I have been following the thread with interest, se...I have been following the thread with interest, seems the logic side is winning the debate so the antis are just make stupid claims. Nothing new and some of those posters are looking complete idiots.TonyNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03800609393064987221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-10953803171395398252012-10-29T01:08:16.673+00:002012-10-29T01:08:16.673+00:00This was very true Tony about Mumsnet, following m...This was very true Tony about Mumsnet, following my input on another Lap Dancing thread, regarding the positive Guardian article, i was called both a wanker and an abuser of young women, for no other reason than supporting lap dancing clubs. However there have also been a lot of other pro posters on there who have made some great points. I was under the name DadDancer<br /><br />http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1591438-Article-about-strip-clubs-in-the-Guardian?pg=5John Ridgelynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-79299554812445667322012-10-26T21:46:02.754+01:002012-10-26T21:46:02.754+01:00I was re-reading the article and certain aspects s...I was re-reading the article and certain aspects struck me really hard and this is something I have been talking about with a friend. The seven aspects of Objectification which feminists spout in their arguments every time. Well the second form of objectification of the list from Stanford is denial of autonomy: the treatment of a person as lacking in autonomy and self-determination. <br /><br />So we know that prohibitionists deny that the dancers can reason for themselves doing the very thing they attack men for in Objectifying women in this case the dancers. This is a particular vicious form of Objectification as it silences the dancers adding a second layer of objectification. Now for me sexual objectification is nature, it is part of how mother nature programmed us to procreate. An to deny that or make it evil seems folly to me so long as we remain within the guidelines that society/clubs/local government set out. It is about time those screaming loudest about objectification look at how they are running their campaign.TonyNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03800609393064987221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-3677293902240860882012-10-23T09:16:36.822+01:002012-10-23T09:16:36.822+01:00There have been several pieces about husbands who ...There have been several pieces about husbands who read/use porn from the mumsnet crowd. Stock answer is leave the bugger it seems. It is the same crowd that repeat the same arguments over and over. From the writing and style of comment they are either really good friends with the feminist section or more like name changes. Sometimes you feel that the support of some stupid statements (porn will turn the person into a rapist type thing) have been ingrained into their brains.TonyNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03800609393064987221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-64558087802969967722012-10-23T00:12:55.987+01:002012-10-23T00:12:55.987+01:00My reply was with regards to your comment Edie rat...My reply was with regards to your comment Edie rather than the Guardian article.<br />However i have checked out the guardian piece and loving your comments Brute<br />John Ridgelynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-34012488680594700972012-10-22T23:55:09.658+01:002012-10-22T23:55:09.658+01:00totally agree, this is what feminism should be abo...totally agree, this is what feminism should be about, pro-choice and not repression. John Ridgelynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-12065328763716684092012-10-22T23:32:35.339+01:002012-10-22T23:32:35.339+01:00There's an article in the Guardian which might...There's an article in the Guardian which might amuse you, entitled 'Feminism – a spent force or fit for the 21st century?':<br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/oct/21/feminism-fit-for-21st-centuryThe Great Smell Of Brutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18221303070617233589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-44975585353129108492012-10-22T23:09:06.329+01:002012-10-22T23:09:06.329+01:00Luckily my other half is pretty cool about these t...Luckily my other half is pretty cool about these things, well just as long as i don't spend too much money and go too often that is. I think in a long term relationship, it's perfectly healthy to have a bit of your own space and for me lap dancing clubs are more or less a live version of softcore erotica. I Wonder what the mumsnet women would think of their blokes looking at porn? wonder if they would take the same stance? maybe i should ask them! (but then can i be bothered with the barrage of insults that will no doubt be heading my way, hehe!)John Ridgelynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-3762957891866063352012-10-22T22:21:13.280+01:002012-10-22T22:21:13.280+01:00I think Object et all need to send a huge thanks t...I think Object et all need to send a huge thanks to strippers and all others in the Erotic industries. They have made their entire parasitic career out of us. If it wasn't for us; gone would be the book deals, the publicity, the funding, the invitations to speak etc. I am expecting a big thank you from them! Lol! <br /><br />They also need to thank us for pushing boundaries and making sexuality more acceptable in society at large. As we all know the more conservative and repressive a society, the worse it is for women. However the brave, pioneering strippers and sex workers have opened peoples eyes and minds and allowed them to learn about their own sexuality in a guilt free way. The more progressive, open and less uptight a society, the better it is for women. The repressive and backwards stance of these prohibitionists groups needs to be balanced by free thinking and fun people.<br /><br />I find it hilarious and ironic that they have actually made my job as a stripper more necessary than ever, and every time I get on stage, it feels like a powerful feminist statement. I find this contradiction delightful and very very funny!<br />Edienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-75814439551408916912012-10-22T10:36:32.253+01:002012-10-22T10:36:32.253+01:00The mum in question is certainly familiar to one o...The mum in question is certainly familiar to one or two of us...The Great Smell Of Brutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18221303070617233589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-60404055938821208412012-10-22T09:38:09.186+01:002012-10-22T09:38:09.186+01:00It's an extreme reaction. Surely a better way ...It's an extreme reaction. Surely a better way forward would have been to questioned exactly why he visited the club. I loved the comment that compared lap dancing clubs and hen night events though....Chasmalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15791910774345073277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-48309807691936092522012-10-22T07:17:10.580+01:002012-10-22T07:17:10.580+01:00Having tried to debate openly with Dacke and peopl...Having tried to debate openly with Dacke and people like MrsClown I have seen a raft of excuses either not to debate or not to answer questions. I have seen Holsopple and Lilith rolled out again and again with no fear of being challenged. I am use to the personal insults that come from these people when they find the fabric of their stories has fallen apart. Certainly Dacke like using Holsopple and if challenged Nelson comes in with an oh yeah but what about Lilith. <br /><br />Just once I would like these intellectuals to stand up and debate rather than finding excuses to make claims with no basis in reality and run away.TonyNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03800609393064987221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-31560231907333767202012-10-22T01:33:31.340+01:002012-10-22T01:33:31.340+01:00Slightly off topic but talking of mumsnet, I found...Slightly off topic but talking of mumsnet, I found this an interesting thread from a couple of weeks ago. <br />http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/a1581157-Hes-just-been-to-a-nude-lap-dancing-bar<br /><br />I didn't comment myself, but some of the comments were pretty outrageous. Especially the three comments saying they would prefer their other halves had an affair than visit a lap dancing club(Really?) and couldn't believe this comment either:<br />'Years ago I left my husband and got divorced because he had been to a lap dancing club. He knew that would be my reaction and how much I detested them and went anyway. I left as soon as he got back with the dc. Gone was my lovely husband, all I could see was a letchy perv on front of me. He knew my boundaries and he crossed the line. Lots of people would say that I over reacted but he (and partners since) have always known its a deal breaker for me.'<br /><br />wowzers! rational behavior i think not. <br />John Ridgelynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-33232848917610712542012-10-22T00:50:56.282+01:002012-10-22T00:50:56.282+01:00Great article and so true. Yeah i think a cult sum...Great article and so true. Yeah i think a cult sums them up very nicely.<br /><br />See there's another club application on the cards in Bedfordshire http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/News/Mum-in-new-lap-dance-club-fight-19102012.htm<br /><br />Another mumsnet feminist type on a moral crusade with the usual argument. To quote her “It’s inappropriate and the main reason I’m against this is that such places objectify women and I won’t live in a town where my boys grow up to think that’s ok"<br />I'd say to her fine don't live in the town then.John Ridgelynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-38586886399367777472012-10-21T23:54:18.643+01:002012-10-21T23:54:18.643+01:00Prohibitionists engaged in Soviet-style doublethin...Prohibitionists engaged in Soviet-style doublethink: nothing new to us, but would probably be shocking to anyone who'd never examined the relevant facts.The Great Smell Of Brutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18221303070617233589noreply@blogger.com