tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post4897108060611916008..comments2024-03-20T12:46:28.177+00:00Comments on Stripping The Illusion: Object on Fashion Models - 'Many Die Starving Themselves, Abusing Their Bodies'.Chasmalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15791910774345073277noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-62577226801159153362012-05-03T10:25:55.519+01:002012-05-03T10:25:55.519+01:00Reading those highlighted comments again, I'm ...Reading those highlighted comments again, I'm reminded of something Prof. Richard Dawkins said in a interview (regarding The Selfish Gene), which featured in a recent documentary:<br /><br />"It is a lesson that sometimes, people will read a book by the title only, and omit to read the rather large footnote which is the book itself."<br /><br />It occurs to me that some 'feminists' have managed to do precisely that re The Beauty Myth!The Great Smell Of Brutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18221303070617233589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-83475312675019715692012-05-03T09:50:22.615+01:002012-05-03T09:50:22.615+01:00Brute this is a good point...
This is the missing...Brute this is a good point...<br /><br />This is the missing part of the puzzle.<br /><br />Object convinced themselves that the education and changing attitudes path was too long term, too difficult and lets face it, not exactly worth too much publicity. That left them believing that prohibition (publicity and funding worthy)was the only way forward, hence where they are today...<br /><br />Actually, funding agencies dislike duplication of activity, so Object had to find a unique selling point and they did. Societies problems, such a domestic violence, violence against women in general and wage disparity were in reality a function of the presence of lap dancing clubs, lads magazines, beauty pageants and photos of models in their underwear in advertising...Chasmalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15791910774345073277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-6861598731798135832012-05-03T09:38:54.859+01:002012-05-03T09:38:54.859+01:00I suspect too that the core members of Object hold...I suspect too that the core members of Object hold such derogatory views on the male sex, that they've convinced themselves that men are beyond education - not that their propagandist idea of what constitutes 'education' is anything worth taking seriously in any case.The Great Smell Of Brutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18221303070617233589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-79620910341026847672012-05-03T07:45:44.365+01:002012-05-03T07:45:44.365+01:00I found that even writing the posting was depressi...I found that even writing the posting was depressing. The thread comments were like open wounds and it seems to say deeply profound things about the third wave feminist movement. In clubs, they don't target the customers, it seems to be the girls. With lads mags, they want them top shelfed, with Page 3 they want it banned. I sense that they have run out of male targets.....I think that if they were serious about changing male attitudes, their campaign would have an entirely different flavour and be more challenging for them as well. <br /><br />Influencing male viewpoints involves education, not prohibition but I think they realised this and instead took the high profile route of fighting clubs and media they disapproved of and in the process learned to hate the girls involved in the business...Chasmalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15791910774345073277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-14954589337946227422012-05-03T06:03:16.871+01:002012-05-03T06:03:16.871+01:00I find that I can't see Object as a Feminist G...I find that I can't see Object as a Feminist Group. They have not been bothered to research their targets and make assumptions. The use of testimonials from two women who boyfriends went on stag do's that went to strip joints is not showing anything other than the two women concerned had trust issues. More importantly do those two cases really define what happens when groups of men get together and watch dancers? Not in my mind.<br /><br />Object have been defined before as a hate group before, the fact that they hate other women is something that I find hard to see any justification for. Objectification, interestingly they only discuss negative objectification yet great feminist thinkers such as Martha Nussbaum view objectification in a different way to Kant/MacKinnon/Dworkin. <br /><br />As yet I have seen no causal figures linking objectification with violence or more especially the link of striptease to violence. Every bit of research I look at or do myself shows that violence does not naturally occur because of striptease, but object need a scapegoat, a justification, a raison d'etre and picking on women because of their looks is easy. Maddie's comment about women picking on other women because of how they dress on a night out is exactly the same, you are different, you are to be feared, you are to be driven away.TonyNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03800609393064987221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2169454082586985027.post-54942589080495960032012-05-03T00:03:06.783+01:002012-05-03T00:03:06.783+01:00No. You are not mistaken. Object's problem - a...No. You are not mistaken. Object's problem - and dare I say it - the problem of most feminists these days, is jealousy. There are no specific male groups for their vitriol, the whole issue of inequality has been well and truly dealt with, so all they have left to do is punish the women who men find more attractive than them in any way possible. Welcome to the modern feminist. Err, Charlie, by the way, we need to hook up and go to Elegance for a night out...Maddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00711626354073374874noreply@blogger.com